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How to Defeat "Gay" Arguments

Part 2

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(Continued) ... APPENDIX A

Ten Rules for Debating "Gay" Arguments (as applied in a hypothetical conversation)

FIRST

Never leave unchallenged any argument in which sexual orientation theory, homosexual immutability or the equivalency of heterosexuality and homosexuality is assumed (which is just about any discussion you will ever have on this issue). "Gay" Advocate: "Can't you see that denying gays the right to marry is discrimination. Why shouldn't they have the same basic rights as heterosexuals?" You: "I'm a little confused by your argument. Are you saying that you think homosexuality is equivalent to heterosexuality?"

SECOND

Always make the advocates of the "gay" position define the critical terms. "Gay" Advocate: "Of course they are equivalent. One person is no better than another just because of whom they happen to love."

You: "I still don't get it. How do you define homosexuality and heterosexuality? It's more than love isn't it?"

THIRD

Stay on track. Sophists will always change the subject to avoid having to admit error. The trick is to stay focused until the term in question is defined. Don't allow yourself to be baited into switching topics. Promise to address new topics after your main question has been answered. (Also, watch out for the "tag team" tactic in which a third party will interrupt your discussion to help your opponent change the subject. Make these parties address your question.) "Gay" Advocate: "Homosexuality is just your sexual orientation. It's the way you're born. Some people are straight. Some are gay. You don't think gay people should be discriminated against just because they have a different orientation, do you?" You: "I'd like to answer that question after we talk about what sexual orientation is, but I'm still not clear on what you mean by homosexuality. How do you know that it's just the way someone is born?

FOURTH

Don't allow your opponent to place the burden of proof upon you to disprove one of his or her assumptions. The burden of proof is on him or her. "Gay" Advocate. "Everybody knows that. There are lots of studies. Besides, who would choose to be gay when there is so much hatred and homophobia against them?" You: "Lots of people make choices that other people hate. That doesn't prove anything. And all the studies that I have seen have been inconclusive. Can you cite me any study that absolutely proves that gays are born that way?"

FIFTH

Always steer the discussion to sexual conduct. "Gay" Advocate: "They're out there. But Gay people don't have to prove themselves to deserve basic rights. You don't have to prove your heterosexuality to get your rights do you?" You: "Now we're back where we started on this question of whether homosexuality is equivalent to heterosexuality. You still haven't defined what homosexuality is or what heterosexuality is. Isn't it a question of behavior?"

SIXTH

Keep the discussion on what can be objectively observed and measured and away from the subjective. Don't be diverted into a discussion of abstractions. "Gay" Advocate: "No, its not about behavior, its about orientation. I already said that. You can be gay and celibate. Being gay is when the person you fall in love with is the same sex as you. Being straight is when you fall in love with someone of the opposite sex. That's it." You: "So where does sex come in. If orientation has nothing to do with sexual behavior, what stops pedophiles from claiming equality with gays and straights? If they never get physical, what does it matter if they fall in love with a child?"

SEVENTH

Use affirmative statements to reclaim the initiative in the discussion. "Gay" Advocate: "Yeah, but pedophilia is illegal." You: "Right. The behavior is illegal, but not the thoughts and feelings. That's why its important to be very clear on the definition of homosexuality and heterosexuality before we decide if they're equal. If we're only talking about thoughts and feelings, then perhaps they are equal, but then so are all the other orientations you can think of. If we compare them by the types of behavior they involve, that's a different story. Pedophile behavior is illegal because it harms children. Homosexual behavior is still illegal in many states because it spreads disease and dysfunction."

EIGHTH

Make the opponent face the flaws in his or her logic. "Gay" Advocate: "Well heterosexuals engage in the same risky behaviors as homosexuals." You: "So would you agree that disapproval of all harmful sexual conduct is reasonable?"

NINTH

Follow the flaw to its illogical conclusion. "Gay" Advocate: "No, I don't think its anyone's business what two people do in the privacy of their own bedroom." You: "Allow me to summarize what you're saying. Homosexuals and heterosexuals are only different as to the choice of their partner, one is same-sex, the other opposite sex, but that they are equal in that both engage in the same types of sexual conduct. You also believe that society has no right to regulate sexual conduct even if it threatens the public health, but you would make an exception for pedophiles. Is that about right?"

TENTH

Measure your success by the degree to which you have illuminated the truth for those listening in to your discussion, not by the willingness of your opponent to change his or her mind. "Gay" Advocate: "I'm not going to let you trap me into some homophobic box. Your problem is that you're a bigot." You: "Your problem is that you don't understand that homosexuality is very different than heterosexuality. Heterosexuality describes the way all human beings are designed to function as compatible opposite-sex partners. Homosexuality could only be equivalent if it was rooted in a comparable physiological design. Instead, even when engaging in homosexual acts, a person remains inherently and immutably heterosexual by nature. Sexual orientation is just a theoretical model that lets you pretend that sexuality is a subjective state-of-mind and not an objective physical reality. "That's why marriage is closed to homosexuals. It is an institution designed to protect and strengthen the natural family, which is itself rooted in the procreative heterosexual design we all share."

ANALYSIS

The preceding hypothetical conversation is actually a composite of many real discussions between the author and various advocates of the "gay" position. It accurately and honestly portrays the typical comments and attitudes of "gay" defenders. What may be gleaned from this exchange is that one can never truly come to a common understanding with a "gay" sophist, since he or she cares only about winning and not about the truth. Yet there are many people who merely parrot "gay" rhetoric and who are really victims of sophistry, not sophists themselves. These people are persuadable.

The only value in arguing with a true sophist is to hone your debate skills. Usually, however, you will have an audience. In that case, take the opportunity to educate your audience and don't be discouraged that your opponent refuses to see reason.

When all is said and done, the only real solution to the problems created by "gay" sophistry is to restore a truthful standard in every institution where the sophists now hold sway. That means that we who have learned how to defeat "gay" sophistry must actively compete for influence in those institutions and to persuade others who share our love for the truth to do the same.

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New "Hate Crime" Stats Released
by Steve Jordahl, correspondent

December 3, 2002

Editor's note: Of course, the murders by homosexuals of Jesse Dirkhising (a 13-year-old boy in Rogers, Arkansas) and Mary Stachowicz (a Chicago Catholic woman who tried to persuade a gay teen to change his lifestyle) are never mentioned as being "hate crimes." Isn't this a bit one-sided?

The FBI has released its annual report on hate crimes for 2001, and homosexual activists are again expected to misuse them to call for a host of new legislation mandating special status and protection for gays. Homosexual groups like the Human Rights Campaign and Lambda Legal are furiously lobbying to get hate crimes legislation on the books in various states across America. In their effort to do this, they often cite statistics they claim show an epidemic of hate crimes in the country.

Yet Matt Kaufman, who has reported on hate crime statistics for Focus on the Family, says although individual cases are highlighted in the media, overall occurrences of hate crimes are extremely rare. "For example, there were almost 16,000 murders in the United States in 2001. Only 10 of those were hate crimes and only one of them was a hate crime based on homosexuality," Kaufman said.

He added that the FBI's latest numbers show most of the hate crimes included were barely crimes at all. "This year, more than half the hate crimes reported come in this category called 'intimidation.' (That term) doesn't exist in most other crime reports and it basically boils down to somebody says they felt threatened or demeaned," Kaufman said. "But it's not a real crime in anywhere near the sense most of us would think of as a real crime."

Why is the homosexual lobby so anxious to call these incidents crimes? Mat Staver, president of the Liberty Counsel, a religious-liberties legal group, says its part of a bigger plan. "I think the agenda behind the homosexual movement ... is to elevate sexual behavior or homosexuality to a point where any speech to the contrary is considered a hate crime," Staver said. He predicted they won't stop until their lifestyle is totally accepted by society.

"The ultimate agenda is to dominate -- not to have tolerance, but to dominate -- the worldview, and that worldview is homosexuality."

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To read the FBI's 2001 "Hate Crime Statistics" report, see the Bureau's Web site (http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel02/2001hc.htm).

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